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[Opeth Of Epica]

Having seen the posts about romulous and spoken to unable piano my wolf priest, who i think everyone agrees is one of the most respected players in this game. He has nothing but good to say about romulous, and though this would be a dark angels choice, the wolves would certainly look forward the facing a dark angels chapter led by romulous.

Agreed.

[BulletToDieFor]

Dern only was looking out for his legion though most see it as doing it the wrong way. He is sorely missed by me and many others.

[Thugren]

We will all support chapters Hurt by this and the chapters birthed by this we are a community and we will sta together 
We will all support chapters Hurt by this and the chapters birthed by this we are a community and we will sta together

[Grimaldus]

ok, i just wake up to this

crucias, thanks for the info, also thanks to all the chapter for extending their hand to the DA

to the Dark Angels, know that you have my support and the support of the Crimson Fists in these trouble times, all you have to do is ask and the Fists will provive, Good luck my brothers, Lions of the Imperium.

[Danguinius]

I have returned from self imposed exile having heard rumour of this.

I have say and read every comment in this long thread.

Honestly I am in no way sad to see te back of Dern. Without turning this into a with hunt, I like many before me attempted to work past the difficulties which Dern was often involved in, or in fact instigated. I truly think this will be for the better of this community.

I welcome Crucius apology to the Blood Angels et al. I hope this will see bonds strengthened and new friendships forged. I for one crave the growth for SM that we all so deserve.

To those Dark Angels not implicated in Dern's conspiracy, I wish you well and look forward to see the new direction you take.

[Ork Slayer117]

I had friends in the DA... they will be direly missed. Interesting how perspective changes with time...

Gloria ad Imperator

[JC 042]

I had friends in the DA... they will be direly missed. Interesting how perspective changes with time...

Gloria ad Imperator

The DA's arent leaving.

[Ork Slayer117]

I had friends in the DA... they will be direly missed. Interesting how perspective changes with time...

Gloria ad Imperator

The DA's arent leaving.

The ones that left were the ones I was close with (I.E. Optic and Cypher)

[Commander Mongo]

Evening people,

I am sorry to report that tonight the Staff have permanently banned TheGodDernMan from the Gothic Wars site. The purpose of this post is to explain what lead up to this, and why we have had to do it.

Everytime the Mod team has had to issue a warning to a Dark Angel member, Dern has "gone to war" on behalf of those members. He was admirably aiming to defend his members by proxy, however it always resulted in him bullying the staff with the aim of removing said warnings.

You may recall that a few days ago the Mod staff warned a lot of members for signature violations. The Dark Angels who were at the time the largest faction received a large share of this. Almost every member from the other chapters that were warned replied in a polite and apologetic manner, this also included some Dark Angels.

There was a post put in the council area, which devolved into a rant very quickly and was therefore locked. Subsequently Dern agreed to another post, on the aim of making the rules easier to understand, in a private chat with me; unfortunately this was shortly sabotaged, derailed and therefore locked again. The third attempt was initiated by me, which Dern has not replied in yet, and that post has been highly successful and will result in some cool changes to the User Profile rules shortly.

We then had the unfortunate catalyst of some members making bad judgement call by making a thread that netted them warnings for sexist images and comments. I will not explain what it was, as the mods consider the matter closed and the members involved have apologized, but it resulted in a Dark Angel making a thread that pointed fun at the mods removing that post. When that member was warned for a video that had paedophilia as a subject matter, (veiled as a humerous video - not acceptable for a site with under 18s), Dern started harassing our Staff with a renewed frenzy on XBL, Jabber and in PMs. He quoted a disclaimer I made in my laughs of the day post back to us in an attempt to justify the aforementioned thread, this disclaimer has now been made clearer and I apologize for any confusion this may have caused the rest of you.

Dern was then told to make a ticket about it, where most of the mods tried to reason with him, but sadly he was locked on target. As the Support Documents mention, we can publish contents of a support ticket if it is in the best interests of the site. The contents of this ticket has been made available to leaders and XO - more on this later.

The Dark Angels were a tightly run chapter, the level of control and care used to run the chapter have kept them together through these long months. Unfortunately it has also resulted in a desire for control, as Dern has told many people on XBL today, he does not like Mods having the ability to warn his members without his involvement. Unfortunately everytime he was involved, he would attack the mods and try and bully them into withdrawing it, therefore you can understand why the Mods did not extend such a courtesy this week. He has also been denied Admin and Mod roles due to concerns (apparently justified) of uncontrollable levels of bias.

This brings me to the final reason for removing him. Today on XBL, Dern and some other DA leaders approached the leadership hierarchy of The Black Templars in an attempt to convince them that it would be in their best interest to move to a new site that Dern intends to found. Considering their previous destructive experience with Ordo, that they have only just recovered from, they forwarded this on to the Staff immediately; this confirmed the suspicions staff have had for a few days.

This new site would be dedicated to Warhammer alone, as apparently the inclusion of other games such as Mass Effect, BF3 and Transformers has diluted the viability of this site. So instead of a special diversity which has historically given us strength and bonded members of different chapters, he wants to go into direct competition with Bells of Souls and Dakka Dakka, Warhammer sites with over 300,000 members each.

Thanks to my previous attempts to forewarn leaders of this site, some of them knew what was happening before Dern partied them, and your leaders will be able to confirm this shortly.

Not all of The Dark Angels are party to this conspiracy, many of them will be oblivious I would urge you to give them the benefit of the doubt as not all of them intend to leave this site. Dern and his chapter has done a lot for this site (eg being the second largest donator), and we thank him for it, however the damage has now been shown to irrefutably outweigh the good. Until someone steps up to lead the remains of the Dark Angels, I have suspended posting in the private areas and applications to try and prevent flaming.

I would also like to extend an apology to the Blood Angels, Space Wolves and White Scars for Derns conduct towards them over the last few months. The damage to relations has been done, but I offer this apology on behalf of GWRS never the less, as we are only just realizing just how much of a destructive factor Dern is to our morals and principles as a community. We should have listened to you, we are human and we are fallible, and we are most assuredly sorry.

Whatever is needed, the DA's and GW as a whole have the support of not only Myself, but the Wolves as well.

As, a side note for what it's worth...
Thank you Cru for the honor and integrity put forth in that last comment to those of us embroiled in his mayhem. I say thank you, but also wish to let you know that while appreciated, it wasn't necessary. At least for my self and Skotten, it's water under the bridge.

[CruciasNZ]

Morning everyone... you have 26 new private messages... well fuck my coffee is going to go cold. lol

I know I'm pretty new as well, but I like to think that if you have a hot-headed leader, who pushes the boundries of the rules, then nothing good will come of it. That being said, I extend my support to the DA in these tumultulous times.

Pushing boundaries of the rules is not a bad thing, it's how they are explored, constantly rechecked and expanded. The issue was Dern would not accept when his own men were warned for rule infractions and would try and bully the mods into submission.

As, a side note for what it's worth...
Thank you Cru for the honor and integrity put forth in that last comment to those of us embroiled in his mayhem. I say thank you, but also wish to let you know that while appreciated, it wasn't necessary. At least for my self and Skotten, it's water under the bridge.

Perhaps not in your eyes Mongo, but I routinely make a habit of posting apologies when I cock up, usually it's getting a timezone wrong or something. I believe that the only way to lead this community is to attempt to do what is best, and apologize when I or Staff mess up. This time we, and a lot of members, messed up good

[Warmonger]

Nobody 'messed up' as such, who could predict such things would happen? rather you did the best with a bad situation, and without the action you took who knows what would have happened?

[xxxblackspider]

I love this site and I don't know why every time that I am away for a while something bad happens...

[Kite Arca]

Indeed spider.

[CruciasNZ]

I love this site and I don't know why every time that I am away for a while something bad happens...

Count yourself lucky

[DusteirTax]

I am sadend by my leaders choices but i will not leave this site unless told to i support gothic through and through 
i was gone for five days what the heck happend  
I wish to help in any way possible

[NightWolf889]

I am sadend by my leaders choices but i will not leave this site unless told to i support gothic through and through 
i was gone for five days what the heck happend

Heh, first thing I saw waking up this morning was a message asking me to become the Grand Master of the Dark Angels...My reaction was the same, "WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED!?"

[CruciasNZ]

Heh, first thing I saw waking up this morning was a message asking me to become the Grand Master of the Dark Angels...My reaction was the same, "WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED!?"

When I was told by the Templars my reaction was along the lines of "For fucks sake"

[Kite Arca]

yeeeeeeah...

[xxxblackspider]

yeeeeeeah...

ya

[Gettn' Mah BBOOM GUN]

Alright i'll come back here from time to time, though itd be awesome if most of gothic wars would like to move to transformers fall of cybertron fro the occasional match