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[Zero]

Yeah I just noticed that there is no topic about what the forums rules are. So it isn't clear what is and isn't allowed. So this is just a friendly reminder that you may want to get that started. Also I don't know if you all have already been discussing this and haven't decided on the specifics, but it might be a good Idea to put a temporary Forum Rules post anyway.

That's about all, thanks for reading.

[Talon Lord Othrim]

Brother a full rule book has been created and posted:

http://revenantwings...hread.php?tid=3

It has been made available a long time ago.

[Zero]

Brother a full rule book has been created and posted:

http://revenantwings...hread.php?tid=3

It has been made available a long time ago.

I mean rules for the forum not the game. (flaming / spamming / etc)

[CruciasNZ]

Yes you're right Cheese, while Apulo has been nailed by the flu and I have had to suddenly deal with life at my flat blowing up (not literally) we really should have got that done by now.

I'll note it in the work log and we'll get onto it asap.

I'm moving this topic to the correct place (Website Discussion) and would like to invite you all to make suggestions if you think something should be added to the usual array of forum rules

[Zero]

I'm moving this topic to the correct place (Website Discussion) and would like to invite you all to make suggestions if you think something should be added to the usual array of forum rules

Okay thanks, I forgot you had this section, but I suppose the announcement section got it noticed more easily.

Anyway, I don't think you will need any special rules (Maybe something about the old site. Not bringing it up just to trash it?) Other then that standard forum rules.

Standard
Respect mods
No Flaming
No Spamming
No Advertising
No Offensive Usernames
No Hacking
No Discrimination
No Illegal Activity

More optional
No Double Posting
No Topic Bumping
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As well as the punishments for breaking each of them. And who to contact if you feel the punishment was made in error / unfair. A clear Hierarchy for petitions would be a good idea to add, as this was a big problem on the old site, everyone immediately jumped to the Admin.

[CruciasNZ]

People are allowed to trash the old site within reason, remember quite a few people are here as a direct consequence of actions there. However a "leash" is probably required to stop it evolving from reasonable and controlled anger to riots and couch burnings.

Previous sites Mod's had issues with crime and appointed punishments being severely disjointed so the idea to loosely list them publicly will sooth the curious and provide a complaint structure. The intention is to publish a "rulebook" (though probably not like we have for the ladder, more like a detailed forum thread) in the mod section for mods to consult before whacking someone.

In the various sites I have run we've found that if the Mod has to type a paragraph with 100 word minimum describing why someone is being punished then it makes the mod consider if they're over reacting or not. If you have to type a formal notice you see pretty quickly if you're being petty

EDIT: good god my spelling is atrocious today

[Zero]

People are allowed to trash the old site within reason, remember quite a few people are here as a direct consequence of actions there. However a "leash" is probably required to stop it evolving from reasonable and controlled anger to riots and couch burnings.

Right, that is what I meant.

Previous sites Mod's had issues with crime and appointed punishments being severely disjointed so the idea to loosely list them publicly will sooth the curious and provide a complaint structure.

I'm not sure what your saying here, could you clarify?

The intention is to publish a "rulebook" (though probably not like we have for the ladder, more like a detailed forum thread) in the mod section for mods to consult before whacking someone.

That sounds like a good idea.

In the various sites I have run we've found that if the Mod has to type a paragraph with 100 word minimum describing why someone is being punished then it makes the mod consider if they're over reacting or not. If you have to type a formal notice you see pretty quickly if you're being petty

EDIT: good god my spelling is atrocious today

That is something I had wanted to implement with the old site but everyone wanted it to just be one long discussion that by the time we came to an "agreement" and choose someone to carry it out, the person being punished would only feel the effects a week later.

I think this is good idea as combined with your "rulebook" on modding this should allow mods to act quickly, but to still keep them from acting on trivial things.

To point this out when you got a warning for the most vague bullshit and we had four day convo on two separate threads to give you a warning, that I later removed the next day.

[Talon Lord Othrim]

I like the idea of Mod 'training' and the use of the warning system. As a mod I feel it would be good to have a set structure we all agree to. If a mod breaks that then they can end up losing their position, not necessarily instant ban like Gerhart was subject to.

[Zero]

I like the idea of Mod 'training' and the use of the warning system. As a mod I feel it would be good to have a set structure we all agree to. If a mod breaks that then they can end up losing their position, not necessarily instant ban like Gerhart was subject to.

As mod on the other site I agree, I was hoping to do something like that before the split, but there is little point to do so now.

Also Gerharts ban wasn't really instant. It had long build up and just boiled over. CruciasNZ's ban however was instant and was for no good reason.

[CruciasNZ]

Previous sites Mod's had issues with crime and appointed punishments being severely disjointed so the idea to loosely list them publicly will sooth the curious and provide a complaint structure.

I'm not sure what your saying here, could you clarify?

I really hate editing multiple source quotes ha!

We still require discussion on serious issues (like banning) but for warnings and such we found that (on other sites) sometimes even after the mod had written the little letter the recipient sometimes didn't believe their eyes.

I'm not meaning the people who get angry and argue over anything when they're told off, I'm meaning the ones who get a warning over something incredibly stupid (like being officially warned for using American English spelling on a British based forum - it really did happen).

Having a reference for the everyday forum user to check to see if that incredibly silly warning was justified when held accountable to the moderation rules drastically cuts down the level of anger these mistakes can generate.

In the spelling case I got a PM and it while it generated many laughs it was fixed quickly.

Also Gerharts ban wasn't really instant. It had long build up and just boiled over. CruciasNZ's ban however was instant and was for no good reason.

I've been told my ban was from Khorne for me apparently insulting him when I discussed the new community with him. As someone I respected and worked for (ie I did the map and both rulebooks under his and Gerhart's permission and oversight) I felt he deserved a personal explanation rather than having it slammed into him on the old forum. If this was the case then I regret it, I usually keep my head cool when dealing with sticky situations but that whole week was one hell of a turmoil (the community exploding, my final exams, a relative dying and my flatmate being hit by a car all within 24 hours) and I didn't handle the issue as professionally as I normally would have.

However I believe it was really just Sion going for me again, in the end it doesn't really matter. It just reinforced the point we had been making about the heavy handedness of the admin process over there.

We only need squad leaders here to run the Ladder so members from the old site don't even need to register here to play, just their leader (for score posting etc). As long as we make sure we learn from the mistakes of the past and don't make their lives unpleasant then all the pain, anguish and anger was worth it.

[Zero]

Previous sites Mod's had issues with crime and appointed punishments being severely disjointed so the idea to loosely list them publicly will sooth the curious and provide a complaint structure.

I'm not sure what your saying here, could you clarify?

I really hate editing multiple source quotes ha!

We still require discussion on serious issues (like banning) but for warnings and such we found that (on other sites) sometimes even after the mod had written the little letter the recipient sometimes didn't believe their eyes.

I'm not meaning the people who get angry and argue over anything when they're told off, I'm meaning the ones who get a warning over something incredibly stupid (like being officially warned for using American English spelling on a British based forum - it really did happen).

Having a reference for the everyday forum user to check to see if that incredibly silly warning was justified when held accountable to the moderation rules drastically cuts down the level of anger these mistakes can generate.

In the spelling case I got a PM and it while it generated many laughs it was fixed quickly.

Yeah that sounds good, ban discussions I believed should of course have input from more than one person, except in the most extreme of cases.

[CruciasNZ]

Damn the posts here are getting long.

Interesting but just confirmed the story I was told, in the end it doesn't matter. All of the members I considered friends and actually were active are here and those who weren't active, well there's no difference.

However you probably should not post things from a restricted forum on the old site here. It's likely to just cause a whole ton of trouble for you or someone else down the line and there's been enough of that. (FYI - This isn't a reprimand, just a point raised in discussion)

Though on another note, the amusing thing is that day was the first day Sion ever sent me a complimentary PM, (actually it was the first nice thing he said to me anywhere) and it was done directly after Gerhart was banned. Had a good chuckle about the irony of that one!

[Zero]

Damn the posts here are getting long.

Interesting but just confirmed the story I was told, in the end it doesn't matter. All of the members I considered friends and actually were active are here and those who weren't active, well there's no difference.

However you probably should not post things from a restricted forum on the old site here. It's likely to just cause a whole ton of trouble for you or someone else down the line and there's been enough of that. (FYI - This isn't a reprimand, just a point raised in discussion)

Though on another note, the amusing thing is that day was the first day Sion ever sent me a complimentary PM, (actually it was the first nice thing he said to me anywhere) and it was done directly after Gerhart was banned. Had a good chuckle about the irony of that one!

Yeah I know, I've edited it out now, just wanted you to see it. On the other hand I was given access to that forum and everything in it, and nothing said I couldn't share information with those it concerns.

Anyway just thought you'd like to see the "official" reason you were banned.

[CruciasNZ]

Well thank you for your concern, it is appreciated, and also the input

[Zero]

Well thank you for your concern, it is appreciated, and also the input

Your Welcome! Glad to help in anyway I can.